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Jack Devanney's avatar

Due to some basic economics (not emotions), solar and nuclear do not live well together.

Solar is a supplemental source of electricity. Due to its Intermittancy, if you want a reliable grid, you must maintain almost enough dispatchable power to cover your peak demand, as Germany is doing.

There are situations where these supplemental sources can make good sense. Maui where I live is such a place. Lots of sun year round and the alternative is diesel with a fuel cost of 20 cents/kWh. But in evaluating solar, what you must do is compare the fully built up cost of the intermittent source with the fuel cost of the dispatchable source, because the only thing the grid saves is the fuel that would have been burned if the solar capacity were not there.

That's why solar and nuclear are in direct competition. Nuclear is a high CAPEX, low marginal cost, dispatchable source. Nuclear's fuel cost is less than 0.8 cents/kWh with a very low CO2 intensity. Solar adds almost no value to a grid in which the dispatchable source is nuclear. Once you've paid for the nuclear capacity, buying solar capacity is a waste. So you don't buy any solar..

Conversely, nuclear cannot compete with solar on marginal cost. Solar's marginal cost is effectively zero. And high CAPEX nuclear cannot survive low capacity factors. If for whatever reason a country decides to invest in a lot of solar, that will force the capacity factor of the dispatchable source down. Nuclear loses out to low capital cost/high marginal cost fossil fuel as the dispatchable power source. If we put enough solar in place, nuclear is dead, and fossil fuel lives.

The GKG study of Germany puts some numbers on the above handwaving. Germany is not Maui. If nuclear is anywhere near its should-cost, Germany should invest in no solar (nor wind). That's true for most of the planet.

https://jackdevanney.substack.com/p/nuclear-and-windsolar

Seattle Ecomodernist Society's avatar

you can have solar bro + nuclear bro, or nuclear bro + intensified energy, but you cannot have solar bro + intensified energy. the demands of conservation say dump (or contain surface impact of) solar bro and retain intensified energy.

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